Enydimon wrote:But the limitations of the population will always get in the way so long as we continue the trend. Looking at the sketchbook section now, there are threads that are days apart. Not considerably, but enough that for the last little while my impression is that this forum is full of people who only update periodically and the regulars that are just a small handful. Permanoobs needs to grow and it hasn't been. There's not enough depth in the population to get critiques everyone needs.
Enydimon wrote:we really just need to act more like a community instead of a place where people dump their art and then log out.
Joelhladky. wrote:Here's the thing I don't think people understand with crits, they are as much a help to the person giving them as they are the person getting them. I think I'll go into more depth on my personal feedback philosophies in the crit forum.
Lodratio wrote:Enydimon wrote:we really just need to act more like a community instead of a place where people dump their art and then log out.
This. A thousand times this. A big part of the reason why I stopped posting here after a while was that everyone just seemed to hole up in their sketchbook thread and there wasn't a whole lot of meaningful interaction going on.
This conversation sums up a lot of things that I've been thinking about lately.
It seems that back when art forums were still a novelty a lot of people didn't even think to use the internet to promote themselves. They joined a forum to interact with people who shared their interests and to talk about things they were passionate about. Back then CA had huge art contests, collaborations and other community activities, because people wanted to interact with each other.
This changed when Social Networking started becoming more of a thing. People realized that if they went about it in the right way they could make the internet about themselves, that they could become successful just by faking sincere interaction and telling people what they wanted to hear in order to create an audience for their work. As far as I can tell this shift from 'taking interest in, and wanting to interact with others' to 'wanting others to be interested in oneself', has been the driving force behind the direction big art communities like CA have taken over the last couple years, and the reason for the decline of forums and the rise of sites like tumblr, instagram and reddit.
If this community could actually manage to overcome those problems and become in spirit what old CA used to be, I think a lot of people who are fed up with what the internet has become would want to be a part of it.
I think this community could really benefit from a harsh and strict work ethic.
I want the mood of this place to be something like "Work hard, keep up or fuck off"
I like forums because it isnt facebook. no one here is chasing after likes and shares, no "fans" are over here, only artists. We can focus on getting good, giving feedback and nothing else. you get to experience others growing artistically, be inspired and make friendships.
Imbalantus wrote:......I like „constructive“ critiques.
But my other point is this. There are two big problems:
The solution to those two problems could be: PAINTOVERS! Lots of them.......
Choob wrote:Any of you guys remember the masochists in CA's later years, who would make their sketchbooks all about being desperate for someone to brutally destroy them with crits? Solid, to the point feedback without tiptoeing around feelings can be great, but those people made it feel uncomfortably like a fetish.
Choob wrote:on the huge old forums you could make sketchbook update and not even be on the first page a minute later, meaning the whole commenting on other sketchbooks just for attention method was rife.
Choob wrote:The reason I personally left was because of too much focus on the pros to be honest. You had sketchbooks like Algen's and Miles' getting thousands of views and tons of comments, and then all these people just ignoring each other's work, and all vying for a comment from a professional instead. Not a productive atmosphere, and you can glorify people too much. Either way though I've been missing a proper art progress forum a lot recently and I'm sure there's other inactive members who have been too, it's just a case of bringing about that interactive, everybody working together to be better type atmosphere again, and maybe this little community will flourish.
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