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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:19 pm

Wanted to attempt some finished pieces just to see where i'm at overall. Still struggling with proportions, construction, hands among many other things. I'll probably resume some hand and proportion/design studies.

EDIT: Page 3.. ABOUT TIMEEEE
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:35 pm

Den matiel wrote:nice sketchbook keep on posting i want to follow your progress, i can't help with guidance tough since i'm a noob in art ' ^^ so lets improve together :D


Thanks a lot man. I'll keep posting and yes let's improve together :D



sachsapne wrote:tackling head and hands yess. There are like some "landmarks" which if you get right give a feeling of depth in anatomy. like the collar bones which and shoulder muscles when connecting give a bump. Keep it up dude :D


Thanks man, I've never thought about that but I'll keep those landmarks in mind.
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Re: My Junk

Postby Uyeno » Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:37 pm

Good work mate! Keep drawing and draw LOTS. Do tons of work and don't stop :)) Also draw some whole characters instead of drawing individual elements of characters
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:43 pm

I guess I should update more frequently? Basically, with these exercises, I'm trying to understand the form of the figure.
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:56 pm

Uyeno wrote:Good work mate! Keep drawing and draw LOTS. Do tons of work and don't stop :)) Also draw some whole characters instead of drawing individual elements of characters


Appreciate the feedback Uyeno but actually I disagree with what you're saying to some extent. I think it's more effective to nail down exactly what your weaknesses are and focus on them. So for example, if you are having trouble with drawing hair, it's much more effective to focus on hair and try to master it as opposed to to simply whole characters. When you draw full characters all the time, YOU WILL IMPROVE OVERALL, but because you aren't really focused on anything in particular the improvement won't be as fast.

This is methodology is actually known as deliberate practice and I encourage you and anyone else reading this thread to check it out:
http://expertenough.com/1423/deliberate-practice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MgBikgcWnY

With that said, it's also important to draw whole characters here and there to review your overall understanding. What I usually do is warm up with gesture drawings for the first 30 minutes just to get a feeling for the overall mechanics of the human body and then spend the rest of the day nailing down my specific weaknesses. Also, I try to dive into full characters maybe once or twice a week to check my overall understanding.
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Re: My Junk

Postby Will-Marton » Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:02 pm

Nice progress from the last page, your line quality has really improved.
The second image on this page is a step up. Really solid.
Krenz has a lot of really great studies. It should really help with some of the proportional issues. :]
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:56 am

Somewhat random.
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:57 am

Will-Marton wrote:Nice progress from the last page, your line quality has really improved.
The second image on this page is a step up. Really solid.
Krenz has a lot of really great studies. It should really help with some of the proportional issues. :]


Thanks man. Unfortunately, my line quality is VERY inconsistent. So I hope I won't let you down haha. And yeah, I think Krenz would help with the proportions and anatomy. At least, I hope.
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Re: My Junk

Postby eristhe » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:38 pm

Great stuff here, really good range of studies! I would advise against straying too far into consistently stylising your references, as it wil likely encourage cutting corners later on. Try to do an accurate study first, then stylise later, and you should learn more : D Construction is looking good, try to reduce the number of lines you put down though! Making more confident shapes with your basic construction and slowing down to really think about your drawings will help you absorb more knowledge. Keep at it (:
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Re: My Junk

Postby Enydimon » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:00 pm

Definitely agree with Eristhe.

Nothing wrong with stylization or drawing stylized art in application or for fun, but make sure you give enough care to translating it and understanding it how it is. You can always try to stylize the same study afterward too! That's definitely helpful for internalizing it.
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:44 am

More practice. Trying to incorporate Krenz into my own work. Note: NR = No reference

APRIL GOALS: LEARN HOW TO DRAW THE HAND FROM FRIGGIN IMAGINATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:47 am

@endyimon& Eristhe

Thanks for the feedback guys. I'll try my best to keep my lines cleaner but It's gonna take a while :p
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:35 am

Trying to draw cool poses from my imagination like Uyeno :P
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Re: My Junk

Postby crankshaft » Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:12 am

Good work. I would use more rounded boxes with cross contour lines to show more orientation of the limbs in space than cylinders. Cylinders don't really tel use if the object is turned one way or another.
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:06 pm

Wanted to experiment with semi realism. Not sure what style I wanna go for exactly but I'll continue to experiment.
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:09 pm

crankshaft wrote:Good work. I would use more rounded boxes with cross contour lines to show more orientation of the limbs in space than cylinders. Cylinders don't really tel use if the object is turned one way or another.


Thanks for the feedback crank! Those were some studies of Master Krenz Cushart so I was pretty much just drawing the way he did. He does use rounded boxes as well but I think both ways are useful.

Anywho, I wanted to get feedback on the boxes and cylinder. I been struggling a lot with that. Mainly, what happens is that I will draw a box and it will look correct but after staring at it for a bit I'll see that same box from a different view( which will look wrong) and then try to correct it but as i'm correcting it it changes view again. I'm not sure if I'm the only one who experiences this...
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:14 am

Got bored of studying so I decided to do some character design.
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Re: My Junk

Postby crankshaft » Fri Apr 08, 2016 8:01 pm

Great work. I would be more accurate and slow down with these perspective studies. It's boring but you'll learn more if you do more thorough longer studies than these quick ones. Some of them are not even converging properly to their vps. Keep it up!
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:28 pm

Been doing some hand control exercises lately to help me with my lines.
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:30 pm

crankshaft wrote:Great work. I would be more accurate and slow down with these perspective studies. It's boring but you'll learn more if you do more thorough longer studies than these quick ones. Some of them are not even converging properly to their vps. Keep it up!


Thanks crank, I definitely need to slow down.
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Re: My Junk

Postby crankshaft » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:13 am

Great work. You can try blocking in with big fat gestural brush strokes to get a sense of spatial awareness then on a new layer go in with tighter lines. It's much easier with the block in because then you're not trying to hit such a small target from the start.
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:49 pm

Time to update I guess. I got bored of hands so expect a lot of arm studies. Also, I've been trying to develop my semi realism style for quite some time now and I think I almost got the look I want.

Edit: And yeah, feel free to critique my anatomy and stuff. I haven't been getting much anatomy critique lately lol.
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:54 pm

crankshaft wrote:Great work. You can try blocking in with big fat gestural brush strokes to get a sense of spatial awareness then on a new layer go in with tighter lines. It's much easier with the block in because then you're not trying to hit such a small target from the start.


Thanks for the suggestion crank. I've tried that method before and all it did was end me up with a stiff drawing. And personally, energy is the most important thing for me; it's what I value the most, and I'm willing to sacrifice some line quality for that.
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Wed May 04, 2016 4:27 am

blah.
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Sun May 08, 2016 4:59 am

Lots and lots of quick-sketching. About half is from imagination.
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Re: My Junk

Postby Will-Marton » Tue May 10, 2016 10:44 am

Hey, nice updates with the anatomy studies and gestures. It's nice to see you continually practicing what you're learning, too!

In regard to your anatomy, the studies themselves have been getting better, which shows your observation of the subject is stronger. I think it's just a matter of getting better at remembering those forms when you go and apply them in your personal work/sketches. A few of these drawings have some proportional issues where one section of the body may be larger than the other, or quadrants of the same parts of the body (e.g: torso to hip ratio/arms or legs) are also not proportionate to one another.

The stylization and simplification of these forms of anatomy is looking okay, just be sure to continue studying and the translation will continue to carry over better in time. Keep working on slowing down, take time to observe, measure, and check your proportions. Use reference if you're feeling stuck on personal work as well! It can be frustrating at times to slow the pace down, especially when you want to see the drawing finished and the idea come to fruition, but it's worth the time and effort to see it through to a good end. Keep it up! :]
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Thu May 19, 2016 4:30 am

Sigh, I been in a constant state of progression and regression. I learn something and then I forget it. Not sure if i'm actually moving forward or if I am in the same spot and just moving forward and backward.
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Thu May 19, 2016 4:33 am

Will-Marton wrote:Hey, nice updates with the anatomy studies and gestures. It's nice to see you continually practicing what you're learning, too!

In regard to your anatomy, the studies themselves have been getting better, which shows your observation of the subject is stronger. I think it's just a matter of getting better at remembering those forms when you go and apply them in your personal work/sketches. A few of these drawings have some proportional issues where one section of the body may be larger than the other, or quadrants of the same parts of the body (e.g: torso to hip ratio/arms or legs) are also not proportionate to one another.

The stylization and simplification of these forms of anatomy is looking okay, just be sure to continue studying and the translation will continue to carry over better in time. Keep working on slowing down, take time to observe, measure, and check your proportions. Use reference if you're feeling stuck on personal work as well! It can be frustrating at times to slow the pace down, especially when you want to see the drawing finished and the idea come to fruition, but it's worth the time and effort to see it through to a good end. Keep it up! :]


Thanks. I appreciate the critique. And yeah, you seem to hit the nail on the hand. While quicksketching is good for loosening up it's also important to spend some quality time observing the subject matter and trying to get it as accurate as possible.
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Re: My Junk

Postby Moe » Thu May 26, 2016 5:14 am

Recently came across the work of stresscavity so I been trying to incorporate his dynamism into my own work. Maybe I should do some animations as well. I think I will once I get comfortable with the figure.
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Re: My Junk

Postby crankshaft » Fri May 27, 2016 7:57 pm

Nice stuff. I think you would benefit from doing these fundamental studies tr additionally over digitally and just fill pages with perspective studies. By having less freedom it'll force you to pre visualize and draw smarter therefore you may learn faster. Also I feel that you should work on your line quality as it feels a bit shaky and timid. Don't worry, a lot of traditional carries to digital.
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