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Postby Menze » Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:31 pm

Hey everybody, I'm a long time lurker and finally decided to start a sketchbook here. I'm a 21 yo guy from Brazil, and I recently decided to take art seriously as my future prefession. Even though I am sure about it, I guess I'm more lost than ever! From the basics to my method of "work" there is so much doubt and room for improvement... I hope we can help each other out and have some useful conversations here. It goes without saying that I'm open to comments and critiques, so here it goes:

This first piece was intended to serve as a practice for the Loomis scaling method (from the Sucessful Drawing book that I've been "following") but at the end of the day, those pyramid guys were so huge that the grid would have to recede A LOT. Anyways, I guess a poor execution is better than a good concept that exists just in your head D:
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Menze » Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:14 pm

(Getting real tired of my lack of discipline when it comes to drawing, so let's get serious here, ffs)

I decided to put perspective to the side a bit and focus more on anatomy, since I have a decent grasp of perspective already and most of my "personal projects" require more anatomy than anything else. I also switched from the Loomis' "Figure Drawing for All It's Worth" to the Michael Hampton's book on the subject: don't get me wrong, the guy is a fucking master, but Hampton's approach looks a lot more attractive, to me at least.

So, here is the work of today. Drawing directly on the tablet has been a chalenge, but I'm willing to sacrifice speed to get used to it, also, here is hoping that I can put more hours per day than this o/ Gotta improve ASAP
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Menze » Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:07 pm

Tried to make some kind of short story with these gestures. I guess there is the problem of etting used to the tablet, but I also must be doing something that is not ACTUAL gesture drawing, because it's taking a lot of time to make these...
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Aragah » Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:04 pm

Loooovely gestures! very dynamic and lots of character and story!
Plus I have a soft spot for witches.


Do you have other work online anywhere else? I'd like to have a better idea of what you draw like! :D

I dont think that you should concern yourself with how long you take to pump those out. QUALITY matters,and thats all. not quantity or speed. you can acquire those afterwards.
the tablet thing does take quite a while to get used to, and unless its a cintiq, its never gonna be 100% of what its like drawing on paper.

Welcome :D
Keep up the good work
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Aragah » Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:15 pm

Oh hey, actually.

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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Menze » Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:13 pm

Aragah: Thanks for the critique/advice! I'm also from São Paulo, I still live here, but on the countryside(?) -> interior do estado. About my other stuff online, you can see it on my DA (wich I will link below) I also had another SB on this same forum with some of the stuff, but I lost the damn password and just recovered it after creating this one. Anyways, the thing with these drawings is that they are not a choice of style, instead I would call it "the most I could do back then". I guess I'll always be on the cartoony side of the illustration, but I'm not even close to what I want to achieve. http://zes1.deviantart.com/

Today I started the landmarks chapter of the book, and I can sense it will be a BIG step for the quality of my drawings. Considering the importance of the topic, I guess I'll stick around and practice this for a longer time. I hope that without having to absorb so much new informantion for a while, I'll be able to put out more personal stuff and more drawings just for fun/exploration.
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Menze » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:28 pm

Two days without drawing and just did 1 hour today. I'm feeling like the scum of earth but anyways...

This quick exercise was about capturing the gesture of the figure and placing the landmarks correctly, but it got me thinking about some stuff:

- Placing landmarks is about actually seeing the bone underneath the skin (when they possible to spot), or just placing them where they are supposed to be?

- What would be the best way to deal with the reference pictures? Considering the size of my screen I don't think I could split between something like Quickposes and Photoshop, maybe download some and work in a 1:1 scale (?)

- I also realized my tendency to draw very tall and slim figures when it's from imagination. I struggle a lot to "fit" the entire body of the models inside the height previously set, gotta work more on that.
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby ash+bones » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:28 pm

Hey there, how's it going? I see you are working with Hampton's book--so far you're doing great! If you like Hampton's approach, maybe give these a try; as far as I know there's no legal way to buy those, but they are amazing, like the book on roids. They helped me heaps. Anyway, keep it up!
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Slade » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:28 pm

Wha!? Your figures are really good! Have you tried painting at all yet? Also, are you still looking for a study partner? I'd be so down to do it!
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Menze » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:58 pm

Ash+bones: Thanks for the links, it REALLY is the book on roids and I had no idea this existed... Isn't the internet an awesome place? I guess the more in depht explanation plus the homework will really help me on the anatomy "journey".

Slade: I started the Control Paint "course" some time ago and stopped at the blending basics because I felt my drawings were not strong enough yet, but it is something I plan to learn in the future. I also attend this traditional painting class (watercolour and gouache). I'm not really good and I don't feel like I'm going to develop this further after the course is over, but what do I know? Some months ago I could only draw with a pencil and here I am...
About the studdy buddy stuff, it depends on what you plan to do and also on timezones. I don't have much time to skype calls during the day and when I can, I talk mostly with this portuguese girl (we speak the same language), but drawing exchanges and general chatting (even if we are not online at the same time) can be done easily, add me on skype if you want o/


So, I revisited some previous stuff from the book now that I have the videos to back me up and tried to make the homework. From the 100 gestures required, I did the first half from "life". The other half must be from masters drawings, sculptures and such. If you guys know some place where I can get those without searching one by one, it would be great.
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Slade » Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:47 am

Ohh, okay. When you said study partner I thought that you meant that you wanted to do a sort of study group where we just kinda encourage each other and make suggestions on how to improve.
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Menze » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:35 pm

Slade: That's pretty much the spirit of the thing, I just said it because it varies from people to people, I mean, some like to share screen, talk through the mic and all that jazz. But I'm up to it o/

So, another week of the video course is gone. I drew the rest of the gestures as well but I guess posting literally everything is a bit overkill. By the other hand, I would like to post more creative stuff but I fear I'm losing the spark since I started studying like this D:

And it is a legit preocupation, I don't seem to be able to draw something that "looks like me" when the scene requires actual planning... There is always something off that I need to improve, then I start the "practice "season" (no creative projects) and the cycle continues. o.O
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Menze » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:41 pm

I always feel I write a lot here, but here it goes...

I'm actually really excited now o/ this way to study heads is one of the few things I've seen for the first time in years, I guess that's what you get for never getting deep enough in a subject... This simple study took me a solid 2 hours to make but I'm sure that the new knowledge/new stuff to practice will pay off, and hopefully restore the pleasure of sketching from imagination (you know the feeling of disgust after making something bad, right? I felt it earlier today D: )

PS: Since this subject is completely new to me, critiques are more welcome now than ever
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby ash+bones » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:43 pm

Hey, nice heads! Don't worry too much about how long it takes you to finish stuff at this point in the learning process; speed is irrelevant until much later on =) You should only worry about effectively incorporating new notions (drawing well isn't a purely mechanical skill--it's 90% in your head), even if it takes you hours.
Challenge: rotate the head in space and draw it from many different angles, that should be great practice! If you can do it from imagination, even better ;) Also, don't add features until you feel super familiar with the basic structure--structure always comes before anatomy.
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Menze » Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:47 pm

ash+bones: Thanks, man. I tried sketching some heads on paper while at work and it was much faster, I guess the long time is also due to the tablet... Here's hoping the whole thing gets more natural with time.

So, I drew some more these days, the process feels more natural, but I'm still stuggling to do it right, as you can see:
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Don » Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:10 pm

Really cool sketchbook so far Menze your gestures are looking good. I would suggest trying to get out to some local life drawing sessions if you can as i feel it's the only way of testing what you have learned so far. Other than that i really like where it's heading so far.
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Peninsula » Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:34 am

Painting heads in strange perspectives from imagination is soo hard since each item changes appearance so dramatically seen from different angles.
I think the best way to go on about learning it is doing as you do - starting with construction and simple shapes in perspective, and then move on to a lot of trail and error from imagination. I think it is one of those things that you just need to put some time into as it's one of the most difficult things in drawing.
Skulls are tremendiously important too - it's surprising how many of the small details on faces that are indeed the result of plane changes in the skull so whenever you don't know what to draw - I'd say: more skulls lol :)
Keep it up ;)
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Menze » Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:16 am

Don: Thanks! I'll look into that.

Peninsula: Yeah, I've been thinking about this "putting enough hours" concept these days. Maybe that's the answer to my lunchroom drama (I posted there, if some of you didn't see it): don't let myself overthink it and just draw more. I will never be happy with the results if I make such a big deal out of drawing and end up not drawing enough, right? PS: The avatar is from an old movie about Joan of Arc, with the same name. The actress is Ingrid Bergman, look it up.

To be honest I did not draw much since that post, but here is a failed attempt do draw "Os Mutantes", my favorite band from Brazil. I'm definitely not happy with the result, but I guess it's a good practice anyways. It showed me that I have to work much more on my "style", maybe drop it completely to explore some more (look at the guy on the left, look at those fucking eyes... Jesus), also some issues with the head seen from below, the jaw... It's going to be a long journey.
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Menze » Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:40 pm

Let's get back to drawing and posting so I don't lose the momentum (also I suck at Hearthstone...big time)

I returned to my painting course after a vacation, and I'm rusty AF. Also I don't want the teacher to think I'm a lazy fuck, so and I guess I'll use the situation to my benefit and establish some kind of routine: "painting/drawing" could easily become "practicing/creating" after the classes are over. Today was painting day and I managed to make Bradford Cox even more ugly, but yeah... just have to keep pushing through.

Note to myself: take more time to make the underlying drawing.
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Markus Creation » Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:31 pm

I cant look at your pictures because they are displayed giant. Is that my browsers fault or do you have a weird format to upload?
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Menze » Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:29 pm

They are still under the size rules, but yeah, all my images are pretty big. Some guys like Peninsula can make their stuff easy to "read" and also keep a reasonable size, but I have no idea on how to do it. Maybe with photoshop I could save them smaller, but not with my cellphone pictures... idk. Help plz?
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby PartySnack » Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:24 am

https://gyazo.com/8e4949a50f7310bcf422c8a428f5980c
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youve got some strange bony ridge going on around the outside of the eye socket. idk if im illustrating it correctly but double check that area
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby BigMisch » Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:46 am

Really really nice studies!
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Menze » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:44 pm

PartySnack: Thanks for the critique, now that I look, the facial structure is really strange indeed. I have to keep working on that.
BigMisch: Thanks o/

These days I didn't draw as much as I should and I feel kinda bad about it, so I made this list of goals to keep myself focused:

- Within 2 years, get paid to draw something, as a first step to become a professional.
- Amass a body of work unrelated to "practice", but about personal expression, technique exploration and so on...
- Become that guy who draws for practice and for fun, always have a sketchbook and a pen at hand
- Develop a solid drawing routine, maybe with graphs, scheduled activities...
- To be a part of some artist collective, zine publishers, maybe a facebook page of novice illustrator, not sure yet

Anyways, here is some stuff and a sloppy self portrait;
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Menze » Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:46 pm

Can someone please explain me why this site turn my pictures sideways? GEEZ
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Menze » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:11 pm

I was talking to my painting teacher about being an artist and all the pains that come from it, and he said that regarding my problems, I should get out more of my comfort zone. At first it seemed a bit chiché, but then I started thinking about it, and I guess he was right. My comfort zone is not really a subject or technique, but instead being satisfied with myself, for instance, I never finish a personal piece because I kinda know it will turn out shitty, but it's always ok to spend some hours just practicing technical stuff, one of them leaves satisfied, the other doesn't. Today I "painted" a sketch to start working on this comfort zone stuff, it clearly shows my lack of ability painting digitally, but oh well.

Sometimes I feel like this sketchbook is some kind of journal, sorry about that hahaha
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby FélixHinojosa » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:12 pm

First of all, I love your sketchbook title :D

I'm very glad you decided to pursuit art as your main career is hard but worth it I think.

It seems like we are on the same book!, Love the Hampton book it really though me a lot.
and wow does your gestures are good, now I want to those a couple pages of those!

About getting out of the comfort zone I recommend doing something personal after you study certain subject, this way I've been told
helps a lot more to retain all the stuff we are stuffing to our brain. Just keep drawing the stuff you love and as you keep studying and learning new stuff you'll feel more confident day by day.

keep up the hard work!
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby rezzealaux » Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:59 pm

Jul 10
Clavicles show in the center but get covered up really quickly by the pectoral and the rest of the arm when in that position.

Jul 14
Do you keep your pinky wrapped in, pointing towards your thumb as you hold your pencil? Try pushing all your fingers out before you hold your pencil, like the OK sign, and then put pencil to paper. There's a lot of other recommendations out there about holding the instrument vertically and some other stuff too which alleviate this problem.

Jul 26
Like ash+bones said, don't worry about spending too much time on something when you first get into it. The speed gains when you get familiar with something are so massive it's pointless to try and comprehend what it'll be like then. There was one drawing where I tried to draw five heads and it took me the better part of 10 hours just to set it up; I can now do that amount of work in a little over 10 minutes. It's automagical.

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This is good. It'll be useful any time you want to get a feel for something the whole way around. Note that the reverse of any given position will always have exactly the same contour.

Aug 21
Sketchbooks are a record of our art, it's only natural that there's also some extra notes that come along with them.

I'm not a fan of "getting out of your comfort zone" though.

The concept itself is not incorrect, but it's said too often and often told to people who don't need to hear it, because they naturally explore at a lower rate, and when they hear "get out of your comfort zone" they do things too wild, then overcompensate the other way and only stay in their comfort zone. I'm one of those people in this case, and in a lot of cases I'm also one of them. I think gestures for beginners are a big meme, for example, if you haven't a clue about anatomy or how to somewhat-accurately place multiple forms in perspective. Doesn't stop people from telling beginners to start with gestures. Even though grandmaster animator Vilppu said, in one of his New Masters Academy videos, that gesture only builds upon perspective and anatomy, and if you don't know either, you should go work on them first.

I'm the same as you in that I basically never do personal pieces, because I think it's largely pointless in the scope of all the other things I could be doing to get good. It seems a lot of people love drawing/painting and get better as they make a lot of big pieces, which is great for them, but when I do them I just feel like crap and don't want to do it anymore. What used to happen was I believed that I had to do big pieces in order to draw (because otherwise I'm a "doodler"), which only made me not draw much at all until I was "inspired". Recently I decided to go entirely the other way and trust what I actually felt, which was that drawing personal pieces is pointless if I don't want to do them, screw what anyone else says. So I don't anymore, until I seem to have run out of things I think are major problems, at which point I do a big piece, and so far, every time I've done it, I've ended up with a lot more major problems to solve, which I'm perfectly happy to drill construction or perspective or anatomy or whatever on.

Maybe I have no knowledge about color theory, only a trivial understanding of rendering, and can't do gesture or bargue or whatever, but I'm putting in the hours, and I'm improving at what I'm working on, I'm doing more work and getting better at a rate I've never had when just following other people's words. Comparing myself to myself, I've never been better. It's not actually true that I "could have been spending time on color theory" for example, because I don't think color is more important than what I'm working on. If I was forced to do color first, I'd basically just not do it.

At least in my opinion, doing things is more important than checking off boxes on other people's lists of what I'm supposed to be doing.

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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Zipfelzeus » Sat Sep 03, 2016 2:12 am

Sorry I messed up your routine with my challenge but I'm very glad you joined! Love what you did with the charatcers so far and can't wait for us to finally get to part where we do the actual pieces haha.

Really nice work on the head studies!
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Re: My mom said it's pretty good

Postby Menze » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:58 am

Rezza: Thanks for the thoughtful reply, really appreciate the time you put in it. I ended up up doing the exact opposite of what you said, and explored a lot of things I'm not used to, but at the root it is the same thing: put in the hours and do what you feel is the right thing :)

Zip: Your challenge has been really fun, dude, let's start phase 2 already!

I'm back from the page 2 limbo, guys o/ As some of you may have realized, I was doing the new community challenge with Zip (if you haven't seen it, go check that shit out), I also did a T-shirt design as an experiment (got like 30 bucks), so the Hampton studies suffered a little because of it. To add to that, I've been sketching a lot more on paper, inpired by that "Dana Terrace 99th sketchbook" video, and I'm prettt lazy to scan it everyday... Anyways, here are some sketches of the said T-shirt and the initial ideas to the challenge characters. There is more, but I would rather take all your money putting the greatest ones in a book and selling when I'm famous HAHAHAHA

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